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PostSubject: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 15:21

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PostSubject: Re: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 16:17

Tough call! Always good to find an O-line jersey, but i do like the contrast in colours of the Jones jersey! Question
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PostSubject: Re: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 16:30

I'd do a bit more digging on them first, Tim.

I don't know a huge amount about Pro Bowl jerseys, but I believe that Reebok make retail pro cut jerseys for it, so these are fairly common. The listing says it has a COA, but I don't know what exactly it's certifying, or whether the COA legit (let's face it, anybody could throw together a letter with the Reebok logo in it.) If this was genuinely issued to Jones / Dielman for the Pro Bowl, and was cut to their specifications, I don't know why Reebok would be certifying it, as surely the NFL would own the jersey at this stage? This is supported by the fact that NFL auctions just sold a Steven Jackson jersey issued for the 2012 Pro Bowl a couple of weeks ago.

All this makes me think it's a retail pro cut. Here's an example of a retail authentic, which has the pro cut tagging:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-Chicago-Bears-Lance-Briggs-2007-Pro-Bowl-Jersey-52-XL-Pro-Cut-/290667231821?pt=US_Football_Fan_Shop&hash=item43ad1dfa4d

I'm assuming the Briggs is legit, since I believe it is a reputable Jersey Central member listing it.

If the Dielman / Jones are retail pro cuts, the BINs are way too high. I have seen this going for more like $100-$200.
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PostSubject: Re: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 16:37

Okay, what is "pro cut tagging"? This?


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PostSubject: Re: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 16:57

timb69 wrote:
Okay, what is "pro cut tagging"? This?



I can't view photo bucket links at work (network restrictions.) But check the Bledsoe I sold you. Notice the jock tag isn't as wide as the retail authentics, and has small differences. The most obvious thing is the small white tags on the side, which generally indicate the size and extra length (usually 4"), though the tags vary depend on the year.

Gamers will also have the year and size in the neckline (e.g. "08-48" is a 2008 jersey, size 48), though I don't believe this was ever included on the retail pro cut pro bowl jerseys. I haven't seen a game used pro bowl jersey to know whether this is included on anything used by the players.

Some of the other guys may have different understandings as to pro bowl jerseys. As I say, it's not an area I'm really interested in. I did start to look into them, but after I found out that there are a lot of fake pro bowl pro cuts out there, I decided to give them a wide berth.
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PostSubject: Re: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 17:32

Yeah, the jock tag on the Dielman Pro Bowl looks JUST LIKE the Bledsoe one. - as in the size of the tag and the small white tags.
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PostSubject: Re: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 18:17

timb69 wrote:
Yeah, the jock tag on the Dielman Pro Bowl looks JUST LIKE the Bledsoe one. - as in the size of the tag and the small white tags.

Just to be clear - my point is that I believe Reebok made retail pro cut Pro Bowl jerseys, which have the same tags as the Dielman / Jones. So Reebok effectively made retail jerseys with pro cut tags on them. The Briggs I linked to previously is an example of this, since it was not team issued. You would therefore be paying $300+ for a retail jersey. At a minimum, I'd ask the seller to send a scan / picture of the certification to see exactly what is being certified.

The biggest question mark I have is - if these were issued to the players for the Pro Bowl, why would Reebok certify them? I would expect any certification that they were player issued to be from the NFL.

For clarity, here is my understanding of the tiers of pro jerseys, which increase in value as you work down:

Pro cut: Manufactured by Reebok, potentially with the intention of being issued to the player, but there are also extras made which make it directly into the retail market without ever being owned by the team.

Team-issued / game-issued: The afore-mentioned pro cuts are owned by the team, and the equipment manager alters them to the players specs. This will include shortening, hemming etc.

Game worn: Worn by the player.
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PostSubject: Re: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 19:00

I asked the seller for a scan of the COA. Also, it is an autographed jersey, which is another reason I like it. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: WHICH ONE SHOULD I BUY???   Wed Feb 08 2012, 22:32

Speaking of Pro Bowl jersey's, is bowlbound.com a legit site for authentic jersey's? They seem to have a bunch of authentic pro bowl jerseys and regular jersey. The prices arent cheap and the have alot of older jerseys, i'd say early 2000's and on. Anybody heard or know of them?
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